It’s fairly rare that I listen to feminist promo pieces any more, but I was persuaded to watch this one by it’s brevity. I don’t really recommend taking the time to listen to it, it’s little more than the typical rehash of feminist arguments, very poorly expressed. I include it only for context.
The following was part of a comment exchange with one LJY08. I admit that I was venting, but I think that a lot of MRA’s might be able to identify with my fulmination. I am pleased, however, that s/he seemed to be among one of the more lucid, even if incorrect, in my opinion, and articulate feminists I’ve spoken with. I may be wrong, but I place him or her at a second-year women’s studies student.
“Your movement appears to have no theories about how society should be organised or what the overarching issue is with our current societies.”
You’re right–the men’s rights movement has no political theories. We aren’t here to dictate how people should think. We have goals. I’ve previously mentioned mine.
Your movement seems to be able to be reduced down to the following: “we feel cheated and we hate feminists”
Only someone who has never spoken with a Men’s Rights Activist would make such a comment. But that aside, not only do we feel cheated, but we know, measurably, that we’ve been fucked. Fucked hard. Without Vaseline.
We don’t hate feminists, we hate what has been done in the name of feminism. We hate that feminism convinces easily influenced yet potentially strong people to become victim-minded grievance mongers, finger pointers, self-adjudicators of political and moral correctness based on little more than the sensitivities available only to wealthy, well-fed and overly sheltered people who fear embarrassment–and so use shaming ostracism as their primary coercive and offensive tool.
Feminists are much like priests; they preach cotton candy and rainbows while reaching into your pocket and scheming to create laws and standards to ones which advantage women, even (especially?) when no advantage should be given, and to the detriment of men. Primary aggressor laws, for example, or changing the standards of proof so that “It’s more likely than not” that a young man is a rapist and thus potentially ruining not only his education, but potentially his career and the rest of the 60-80 years of his life.
We hate that feminists lie with statistics, tormenting them to fit a narrative though omission, distortion and Orwellian interpretation, such as Mary Koss claiming that that “made to penetrate” cannot be considered rape when the numbers are the same down to a few hundred.
We hate the self-righteous moralistic finger wagging, the plausibly deniable shaming, the refusal to listen and learn, and we hate the empty, thoughtless go-to argument of The Patriarchy Done It, when it’s evident that the use of rhetoric and indirect accusations are preferred over inconvenient facts.
We hate that feminist behaviour does not match feminist’s words.
What we hate is that people like you, rather than listening, assume that you are right, and that we’re merely uneducated about this wonderful ideology that will make the world one of rainbows, flowers and cookies, that we just don’t understand, that we simply don’t know the wonders of Feminism.
We’ve lived in your world, and it’s not what you make it out to be if you’re a man.
We hate that you use words like “privileged” when feminists are the very personification of privilege yet have the hypocritical temerity to wag your finger at us and chide us for being so gosh-darned hysterical, pardon me, “angry”.
“How do you intend to make the world a better place? Through a humanist movement?”
Through the accomplishment of our goals–men having reproductive rights would certainly change the world for the better. Through bringing in discreet long-term contraceptives for men–that would be a huge game changer too. In short, by taking power over our own lives, over feminists and women’s objections, because it would be inconvenient for them to not create “oopsie babies”, or to have automatic access to men’s possessions, money and life energy.
None of this requires humanism, or any other ideology.
“What would this movement look like?”
You’re witnessing it now. It looks like men not being shamed into silence. It means that when Feminists and women say ‘you should be less vocal and listen more’, we raise our voice–because we’ve listened, and we’ve changed to make you happy, and we’ve adapted, and feminists have not bothered reciprocating. Instead, like spoiled children, they demand more and more mattresses to cover a pea. It is a movement that is driven by the simple understanding that the world cannot work well unless both sexes have an adult understanding that in order to reap the benefits of fairness that both must also accept commensurate responsibilities and sacrifices, or in other words, the understanding that freedom don’t come for free.
We will continue to raise our voices and take action on our own behalf, because the so-called “gender equality” movement of feminism has more than failed in every respect for men, it has been ignored at the expense of men. “More equality” is not equality, it is a euphemism for superiority and dominance in law, culture and politics.
“What would its tenets be? Who would be coming up with the ideology?”
Who says we need tenets or an ideology? All we need is enough men to stop supporting the system, or acting to change it. We know what we want in a way that a Western woman can never know. You don’t need an ideology to dodge bullets, or avoid people who try to control you. You just do it. And many of us are.
“How do you intend to reconcile the masculine ideals with the feminine ideals?”
Honestly: we don’t. Fuck them both. Generally, men have the tendency to be individualistic, rather than collective minded. We’ll just do what we need to do, and find a way to get along as we go.
“There’s more to a movement than ranting and assigning blame.”
Yet, this is a precise description of a common behaviour used by feminism to have achieved its power over the system.
No more. The time of Feminism is coming to an end, and we who actually care about equality will make it inevitable, even if only by withholding our value. Get ready to learn about obligation and duty and responsibility and accountability when there’s nobody left to cover your butt or to carry your share of the load.
It felt really good to get that off my chest, wish I’d been more articulate, but such is the nature of things