I need feminism because violently severing penises is funny

I need feminism because violently severing penises is funny

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7 thoughts on “I need feminism because violently severing penises is funny

  1. Tarnished says:

    I wrote about this earlier in the year here:
    https://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/this-is-justice/

    I’m still amazed that people think they need feminism to get rid of misogynistic jokes and stories, but don’t mention who’s going to take care of getting rid of misandric ones. You can’t say that men need more feminism, because there are many feminists who will state that theirs is an ideology for helping women.

    • Francis Roy says:

      And that is essentially the crux of my issue with Feminism. While sometimes claiming to be about equality, large-scale hypocritical behaviour and steamroller women’s advocacy demonstrates it to be gynocentrism gone rampant.

      • Tarnished says:

        It really, truly is. I’ve always appreciated their “main” ideology of Women Deserve Equal Opportunity In The Public And Private Spheres. However, we’ve both seen that there are feminists in positions of power who have made it clear they are after female superiority, *not* equality.

        The sad thing is I, as a physical female, currently benefit from their administrations even as I speak out against them. It doesn’t matter that I’ve turned down extra loans/financial help/scholarships…the very fact that we live in a society where they are *offered* simply due to my genitals is offensive to me and to men/boys who could’ve actually used that money. I won’t stand for it.

  2. You can be completely female and see the problem with this picture. There’s a relatively unvoiced number in the middle who really mean equality for both sides on all things. That also means equal right to say misandry, though people would have to look it up. It’s possible to applaud the intention of the men’s rights activists and still be a feminist, in fact it’s what feminists should do. I get so tired of seeing only the insane female chauvinists on display and labeled as feminists. They are not feminists.

    About the “whining,” I’d like to think it’s in the presentation of the objections. Women still get it too when we complain about a problem from a personally offended standpoint. Not that you don’t have a right to be offended, it just happens on both sides. I’ve seen it get more understanding when coupled with a longer standing issue. For example, “it’s offensive to find that funny” is true for the poster but “it’s wrong to teach our children that it’s okay to laugh at the pain and humiliation of another human being.” Okay, so I’m bad at coming up with examples that might actually work, but I tried.

    Also, I only responded because your about page said this was supposed to be transference of ideas and a safe place for that. I’ve responded on some that were not so much. If you feel offended are upset by my comments, let me know and I’ll delete or just stop commenting. There’s no need to engage in some sort of word battle. I’ve made that novice mistake already. I just want to trade ideas and I hope for a better state for both genders. I’m not so foolish as to think that gender roles help men any better than they help women.

    • Francis Roy says:

      It’s possible to applaud the intention of the men’s rights activists and still be a feminist, in fact it’s what feminists should do. I get so tired of seeing only the insane female chauvinists on display and labeled as feminists.

      I’d agree with the above, but I’d like to take exception to a very specific error that most people make, which is to use the term “Feminism” as though it were a monolithic entity. I do acknowledge that I’m just as guilty of this as most, but I guiltily do so on purpose. The correct way of handling the issue would be to say that X-Type Feminism says/does…

      I wilfully use the overly-broad term [no-modifier] Feminism, so that search engines will find these articles, so that people such as yourself will interact with me. I don’t care much for ideologues, but I’ll handle them. I’m aiming for the non-polarized, those who can be moved, and whose reason can move me.

      They are not feminists.

      But they are. And that is the problem. These female chauvinists label themselves “feminists”, they refer to each other as so. The problem is that they are bigots and are also feminists. They have poisoned the term beyond redemption. While some might argue that feminism, in it’s purest academic sense might once have been about the moral and practical equivalence of men and women, this has remained purely rhetorical, even from the start. In practice, it never has been.

      About the “whining,” I’d like to think it’s in the presentation of the objections. Women still get it too when we complain about a problem from a personally offended standpoint.

      I can agree to that, but I’d add more: it is usually not so much about presentation as it is with a wilful lack of charity on the recipient’s part. Much easier to mock those perceived as an opponent than to acknowledge points which, if one has integrity, would have to cause one to shift away from a long-held and comfortable point of view. In this, I recognize human nature rather than pointing to a sex or ideological perspective.

      Also, I only responded because your about page said this was supposed to be transference of ideas and a safe place for that. I’ve responded on some that were not so much. If you feel offended are upset by my comments, let me know and I’ll delete or just stop commenting. There’s no need to engage in some sort of word battle. I’ve made that novice mistake already. I just want to trade ideas and I hope for a better state for both genders. I’m not so foolish as to think that gender roles help men any better than they help women.

      For the record, this blog is certainly not a “safe space”. But it is a space where you can speak your mind, and, from my part at least, expect a reasonably thoughtful response. Honesty, even when I vehemently disagree with what is being said is your ticket in. I sincerely value honest opponents as much as I do those who agree (more, perhaps), or friends because they help me check my thinking. I’m just one person. I can’t think of all the ideas. I need people help me improve my own thinking.

      I’m not offended, and even were I so, that makes little difference to whether something is true or false.

      On this we seem to agree: We want a world where men and women can be just, kind and decent with each other who give each other a fair shake, while carrying our own load. We humans will always have points of contention. If we can listen to each other and work it out with out best available sense, the world can become a better place.

      Welcome.

      • Your point on the usage of the word “feminism” is well taken. Perhaps I will move to “egalitarian.”
        I also agree completely about the mocking. It drives me crazy, especially because it causes many people who were listening to stop listening. I was recently in at a job where we spent some time discussing uncomfortable points of view during smoke breaks because we all discovered that we can manage to do it without the mocking or bullying and actually listen to each other. We did it well enough for 5 months (and then the job ended) that I forgot how bigoted people can get. I do enjoy that kind of discussion, though. I feel like it leads to actual understanding, though not necessarily agreement. I don’t mind someone continuing to disagree, so long as they listened carefully first.
        I look forward to seeing future posts.

      • Francis Roy says:

        Your point on the usage of the word “feminism” is well taken. Perhaps I will move to “egalitarian.”

        Well, my day is made. Check is in the mail :)

        It has recently been brought to my attention that some have point of contention with the word “egalitarian”. Some adhere to a strict 1950’s political meaning.(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egalitarianism second definition) I claim that current usage, unless in very specific contexts, generally is the “correct” definition, in that when the word is uttered, a response is evoked. I still use the term egalitarian myself, but am willing to specify or concede to a better choice on a moment’s notice. When someone proposes a better (near) universally accepted term, I’ll use that.

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