Feminism vs. Family — an interesting discussion

The following is a 30 minute discussion of four women discussing family, mating, dating, etc. The conversation is an interesting one, seemingly out of the bounds of the Feminist narrative (but it isn’t), and refreshing in some parts. I don’t agree with all of it, but that is part of what makes it interesting.


Why aren’t men having this same conversation? Simple: we aren’t given the choice. The speaker answers her own question: men aren’t expected to make the choice, his choice is a simple one, provide and protect. Failure to do so–and be hot and sexy and high status–leads to being divorced. To the degree that he fails to continually “upgrade”, he risks a divorce and losing not only his children, but a great part of the accumulated wealth that he has spent his life building. He does not have this conversation because it is not an option for him. Wendy blames this on not all men being “amazing doting fathers.” She claims that “women hold the burden of family” while ignoring that the man sacrifices his time with the family in order to keep it alive. Wendy makes a lot of noises about being some form of egalitarian, yet if one listens to her, one can’t help but notice that the reality is that pretty political speech aside, she holds men in poor regard. It isn’t that men “don’t have to make the choice” it is truer that in most cases they cannot.

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One thought on “Feminism vs. Family — an interesting discussion

  1. caprizchka says:

    I’m mostly on board except for the “parental leave,” “part time…promotion,” and “single parent” discussion. The problem with “affordable” child care is that the actual price is hidden and shouldered by the childless. I’m also less than excited about more political representation of feminism or even women in general–I haven’t seen that women as a whole have the interests of women at heart, or that women are more nurturing than men. I also find it interesting that the younger women are more steeped in ideology than the older ones–that’s an effect of maturity and learning how life really works in my view. I don’t think that humanity will actually benefit if fathers take more micro rather than macro roles in child-rearing. However, at least these women are learning albeit slowly.

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