WGTOW: Women Got To Own (the) World



For those of you familiar with MGTOW or “Men Going Their Own Way,” this idea will not be new to you.

This website essentially exists for three reasons:

1. To create a stronger language bond between females. This site is made by women for women! Nothing typed will be said in acknowledgement of male readers; the equal and opposite of MGTOW spaces.

2. As a way that I can reach out to find possibly interested women that want to start a discussion that looks for positive ideas

3. To perhaps help current feminists consider a different point of view, one that has more life in the long run.


I’m sure that the women who did this think of themselves as fair, and honest and good willed. They appear to be anti-Feminist and don’t want to trample on men.

I can only ask myself “What the fuck are you thinking? What is wrong with you?”

This website and its intent is an abomination to me.

It is a me-too, mindless bandwagon jump from women who have no good sense, zero originality and the immature drive to belong to something for no reason other than it is gaining popularity.

This is a pattern that we see from women, often: “Oh! Look! Something popular! There’s fun and entertainment being had without me! I want my fun! I want to be part of it! For men only? Doesn’t matter! Let us into the locker-room! We want in! Gimme gimme gimme!”

You are the selfish and clingy girlfriend who insists on showing up at her boyfriend’s night out with the boys. It’s not even that you want to be there, it’s that you want to feel self-important and believe that you have the power to make yourself accepted, even when you aren’t.

We aren’t going to politely tolerate you. Get the fuck out.

Sincerely: Fuck off! Go away. You are unwanted and unwelcome. You are intruding. You are out of place. You are an uncomfortable and unwanted weight. We don’t want you around.

We see what you’re doing, even if you haven’t got the self-awareness to notice: you are doing that whole cultural appropriation thing that women do: smile, infest, invade and absorb. It is the plausible deniability of the dull-witted copy-cat. “I’m not going your way! I’m just walking mine! It just so happens that my way is wherever you are! Nyah!” You’re hoping that we’ll be polite with you just long enough to get use to it and give up. No.

Go away. Seriously.

You are trying to crash our party, the guests are walking away from you, and you are obnoxiously trying to inject yourself into a group that is telling you that your presence is a displeasure.

Men Going Their Own Way is a movement based on getting away from the potential danger that women bring. Lets be clear: We like you as people, we appreciate you as a person, and you are potentially dangerous. Now get the fuck out of our space.

I am trying every trick that I know of to express the utter contempt and rejection of you for your mindless daddy-abandonment issues driven choice. If we were on the Serengeti plains, I would tie you up and run across the to the other side of the predator’s territory. I would cross canyons and chasms to get away from you. If you followed me, I’d push you off a cliff. I want you to feel a deep and paralyzing, embarrassed shame that causes you to slink away and crawl under a rock in foetal realization that you’ve fucked up, while we take the opportunity to distance ourselves from you as quickly as we can.

Do you understand, “Women Going Their Own Way?” Take no, for an answer. Go away. You are unwanted and unwelcome. We reject you. Fuck off. Leave. Beat it. Scram. Go find an alligator to play with. Feed yourself to a hyena. Be an adult. Not only do we want you to mind your own business, but we want you to leave us to mind our own–that is the whole point of it, after all.

Want to be part of something? Think it up and build it yourselves you unoriginal, imaginationless, second-rate, me-too, copy-catting, bureaucratic, tag-along mother fuckers. Stealing big-people’s clothes and sneaking into a business meeting does not make you part of the company. Men aren’t your babysitting service, we’re not your boyfriends, we aren’t here to entertain you with new ideas. Doesn’t matter how much of a show you make of “not being like the women that men reject,” we reject you.

And think up your own name, while you’re at it.

I know you don’t feel like it, but you are poison. An infestation. Toxic to men who are simply trying to do their own thing. You are the one that little children point to and say “Look! A bad lady!” You are as bad as Feminists. For fuck’s sake. You call yourself “Women Going Their Own Way” while following ours.

I sincerely do not have the words to make my message so stabbingly personal that it will cause you to experience the emotional shock of realization that “I don’t belong here” to the degree that you permanently back off.

WGTOW: go away. Be men’s rights activists, be anti-feminists, create an equality movement for men and women on your own. Be separatists, isolationists, even. But please, stop trying to appropriate this exclusive men’s space, the space that we’ve created to get away from you.

This is what I want from you. Remove every page from your website save the index page. Have it read the following: “Real women respect men. We reject WGTOW.” I am requesting that you to do this today. I know, you’ve paid for the domain, and maybe the hosting. Do it anyway.

Create a new group. Women for women. Isolate yourselves from men. Find an island and go live on it. That’s fine. Be more than a me-too monkey. Dissociate in every possible way with Men Going Their Own Way, MGTOW.

I hope to have utterly discouraged you and have broken your heart from this project. Every word is sincere. Go away. That, or get ready to be pushed off the interpersonal cliff.

Addendum: That you think that MGTOW are doing this for fun shows how clueless you are. Your site is gyno-porn. You are masturbating womanhood in the hopes that other women will masturbate back at you. It is gynocentric back-patting, a circle-rub of “Ain’t we gals great?! Yes we are! Why? Because vagina!

Have you bothered asking why men are going their own way? Because that way is anywhere other than where you are, you vapid monkey-children. Why are we getting away from you? Because your self-centred, gynocentrism makes you do selfish and stupid things that fuck us up and cause us pain. We aren’t MGTOW for fun, we are doing it to avoid the pain that you and your kind are and bring because of your very mindless me-too Girls Just Wanna Have Fun attitude.

Don’t be a Woman Going Her Own Way. Just GO away.


11 thoughts on “WGTOW: Women Got To Own (the) World

  1. Francis Roy says:

    Well. That was harsh. But I mean it in the nicest possible way. It is yet another way to focus on women, women, women while once again relying on what men have thought up and built. We need to put a stop to this kind of behaviour. It is the very same behaviour that Feminists, and Social Justice Warriors engage in. This is the attitude that must be combated, so that women stop with the belly-button gazing, and just become balanced, productive citizens.

  2. Spawny Get says:

    Have you seen the comments for the video below?

    I’ve seen Paul cause these unnecessary controversy before (MRA vs PUA. Atheist vs Theist in the MRA. Right wing being as bad as the left (as opposed to just different but lesser)) and thought WTF. But he’s ‘won’ in the past; the PUAs split off (reduction in the brotherhood), religion ceased being an issue (actually a win, this one), Bernard Chapin and those capable of seeing the politics as they are left (reduction in the brotherhood again). But, I don’t think he’s going to win this. I don’t know what his plan is, but I’m cutting loose from AVFM now. I think he’s lost the plot. Rather than his previous practice of causing division where it’s not required, this time he’s demanded unity where it didn’t exist and caused the division, contrary to his stated goals.

    “Paul Elam seems to be the Chanty Binx of the MRA’s.”

    • Francis Roy says:

      I disagree with some of the things he says, I’ve requested feedback and was met with silence. I’d rather than a brief: I don’t agree because of X or Y. Have a nice day than simple silence.

      That being said, I can understand why he wants to keep focused. Stay clean and on-topic, otherwise what happens is that 20 tangentially related sub-topics get merged into a big mish-mash.

      I agree on a lot of what he has to say about MGTOW, but not all of it. I think of AVFM as the neighbour that I get along with. I’ll work alongside of them for small projects, but I don’t live under their roof, nor they, mine.

  3. Spawny Get says:

    I would like to…”I think of AVFM as the neighbour that I get along with. I’ll work alongside of them for small projects, but I don’t live under their roof, nor they, mine.”

    But that option is not being offered by him. I donated cash in the early days, I bought some avfm merchandise. Neither will happen again. I deleted the email account that I was using for AVFM.

    I’m not entirely sure why his grab annoys me as much as it does. I’m pretty open to wide definitions of MGTOW (not a functioning marriage, however). Looking back, I think that I downgraded my interest in AVFM when PE demanded that MRA and PUA were not compatible. I am not a PUA, have never been one, am somewhat interested in ‘game’ as a look into human reality (as opposed to blank-slate PC bs). When I saw his attitude then I went looking for other places to spend most of my time. The cock-ups with WBB, JB and DD just confirm that there’s a competency shortfall (imosvho). Don’t know what else has happened as I haven’t paid them much attention. The comments for the video I linked (twice? wth?) include statements that MGTOWs were banned from AVFM commenting…WTF? The site claiming to be ‘MGTOW central’ is tone policing (it has been alleged) MGTOWs. Somebody just jumped the shark. I don’t think it’s the MGTOWs.

    JtO made the comment that AVFM has had a major change of direction, but is deeply invested in denying that change in direction has happened. I’d like more details on that.

    • Francis Roy says:

      “But that option is not being offered by him.”

      And you don’t rely on him to be the only one to offer options, either.

      I think that I can see why you are responding as you are. You may be treating him as though he is an authority of sorts. He isn’t. He’s one man. He speaks for a group of people that he has brought together, not for all of us. That we agree at times, doesn’t mean he speaks for us always.

      As for as making a distinction between MRA and PUA, I agree with his point of view. The only connection is between men’s issues, and not men’s rights. But even on the front of issues, PUAs care about _one_ male issue, not the bulk of them. I have nothing against PUAs. I see them as a community of men helping other men deal with certain issues directly. This is a good thing, but that good thing is neither activism or advocacy for men. It is training for one particular issue.

      As for the site claiming to be MGTOW central, I don’t believe that they are. I’ve heard the claim made about them a number of times, and I might, from the back of my mind recall a banner. If this is correct, it is no more than one man making a claim. Long-term MGTOW will simply disagree, and newbies will find the old-timers quick enough.

      As for the whole JTO thing, I truly, sincerely don’t care. It is nothing more than internecine squabbles and quarrels. None of my business.

      • Spawny Get says:

        He’s no leader that I recognise. Just a guy with big feet and a loud voice who has a mixed record in recruiting women to run a manosphere site.

        Jto? I only care about the two sides’ views of the issues, not the emo stuff.

        Pua? I don’t see the point in making unnecessary enemies. Why force guys with feet in both camps choose sides? Same with MGTOW. It’s a dick move.

      • Francis Roy says:

        From my point of view, it isn’t forcing people to choose. How can he? What does he hold over anyone?

        See things, not from the perspective of one man, but one man who is attempting to define his positions so that they remain clear for the media.

        I am MGTOW and an MRA, and I am not triggered in anyway to choose a side. I see both as aspects of an individual man’s life.

        I sincerely don’t see any kind of split.

        As far as who runs his site, to the best of my knowledge em he does. And he has created sub-teams to promote a positive message about men. I have no issue with that. His website isn’t a “manosphere” site, it is one that deals with men’s issues. There is no “the manosphere,” there are however many more site discussing men’s issues than ever before.

        I get that you’ve got some sort of gut response, and I’m not negating it, I’m simply not clear on what the very precise nut of it is. Maybe it’s just a general feeling, can you figure out exactly what underpins the arguments you’re making? That might help be better understand.

      • Spawny Get says:

        Working on it, can’t promise anything.

      • Francis Roy says:

        Hey, some ideas take me months to work out.

  4. Spawny Get says:

    Still working on that classical philosopher’s nightmare, “why did the chicken cross the road?”

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