Feminists: how to not appear insane

A Christmas gift to Feminists: Here’s how espouse Feminism and seem somewhat reasonable, and not a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic when speaking to the public.

Wendy McElroy on “How Should Colleges Handle Sexual Assault?”

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11 thoughts on “Feminists: how to not appear insane

  1. Spawny Get says:

    Just listening to another video linked to at the end of your clip ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPtiO8HG0MA ). So far, pretty good. Sounds sane and grounded as far as what I’ve heard. Not sure why she’s attached herself to the ethical millstone of feminism. I’ll listen to some more to find out exactly what overpowering structural injustices against women that she sees about her.

    • Francis Roy says:

      I also don’t know why she uses the title. Claiming that it is one’s political position that men and women in North America should not have to deal with negative discrimination is a bit like holding a march to legislate gravity while sending men off in zeppelins. The one thing that I will acknowledge, however, is that circumstances for these older women were different than the ones that young women face today.

    • Francis Roy says:

      I found another video of hers. Her reason is rather banal: she believes that “Feminism” is synonymous with “common decency.” It’s the typical case of “My Feminism means what I want it to.” She makes a clear distinction between the Women’s Rights Movement, as a legal movement, and “Feminism” as advocacy for women’s interests. Kudos to her for that.

      If she were typical of Feminists, I’d not be anti-Feminist, I’d just observe how many people just have a crumby yet inoffensive argument. I could live with her kind.

      • Spawny Get says:

        “she believes that “Feminism” is synonymous with “common decency.””

        any idea about what she’s smoking?

      • Francis Roy says:

        You need to look at history. There was a time when women, from one point of view, did have severe limitations. My family is from Québec, once very very Catholic. Everyone obeyed the Church. In those days, the rule of thumb was that the woman obeyed the man. If a woman wanted to go to the doctor, she needed the husband or father’s permission to do so. If she wanted to go to school, get a job, or go to school, she needed a man’s permission to do so. I recall those days, even though I was a child.

        Imagine that you had lived that situation. Then, suddenly, the message is that you don’t need permission. You can act without a man’s consent. You are told that you are more than your socially designated role. Wouldn’t you think that a word attached to these ideas means “treating people equally and fairly?”

        Of course, in retrospect, we also know that men’s roles were ignored, and that the so-called “privilege” of “being in charge” was in fact a kind of paternal obligation, one that involved self-sacrifice, and having to put everyone else first.

        We have to be fair with our ideas, and discreet about them. From that perspective, at that time, with those conditions, I can see why they would think that.

        The issue with modern Feminist practice is that it’s adherents fail to distinguish between The Women’s Rights Movement, and the political ideology of Feminism. Modern Feminists pretend that men still have the perceived and one-sided “power” (as opposed to a duty) and speak as though they are “oppressed” while having all rights, fewer responsibilities and fail to recognize that there is more than one side to the story, that men and women both have advantages and disadvantages, rights and duties, some un-examined and some over-examined.

        Further, most people have not bothered looking into what Feminism actually stands for, and have merely made the association of the oft-repeated buzz-word correlated with women’s rights.

        This is why, I believe, that so many older women decry just about all about Feminism, yet still cling to the word. In short, they are responding to the emotional impact of a before-and-after that younger women have never known, but have been indoctrinated into believing, against all evidence, that their mother’s circumstance is their own.

  2. Spawny Get says:

    Reblogged this on Spawny's Space and commented:
    Another…another…interesting post by Francis Roy (comments there)

  3. bushwah says:

    Good lord, do you people not have the google? McElroy is a far right anti-feminist. Her particular invention is “ifeminists” — which remains her own hobbyhorse — the loonytarian right version of misogyny. A fringe nutbar belovèd of fringe nutbars in the USofA (she is Canadian). You’re welcome.

    • Francis Roy says:

      When an individual refers to herself as “a Feminist,” I take her word for it. If you think this woman is nuts, then consider how telling it is that she appears sane compared to the average self-identifying Feminist. I claim that the best way to undo a Feminist is more or less the same one one “undoes” a Christian, to convert them to atheism: make them read the bible, think about it critically, and use facts. The best way to get people to eschew Feminism is simply for them to research facts and think critically about their ideology.

      Is there an argument that she made in this video that you disagree with?

    • Spawny Get says:

      “A fringe nutbar belovèd of fringe nutbars in the USofA (she is Canadian).”

      Just what I thought, no wonder she seemed to be more than normally sane (for a feminist). I wasn’t interested in what google (or wiki) brought up, I wanted to hear her in her own words.

      What passes for journalism these days would make Goebbels blush, I mean look at the reportage on #GamerGate, it’s an outright disgrace.

  4. Jeff says:

    Your commentary “You need to look at history…. that their mother’s circumstance is their own” did not have a “reply” key, but I have to say that that was one of the best and most insightful commentaries I have EVER read.

    I’ll be watching/reading/listening to you, Francis Roy, for a long time to come.

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