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Collaboration, not capitulation

Collaboration, not capitulation

If we want to make practical changes to better our world, we have to look at the materials that we have: ideas, and humans.

If we alienate the humans, who will carry the ideas?
Who will act on them?

People love the high of thinking themselves superior and of beating other people into submission, few enjoy being treated that way.

Most people, however love to be seduced.

What we want is collaboration, not capitulation.

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This is the real basis of Feminism

Woman High On Drugs Finds Out She is Fat.

Admittedly, there’s something that’s quite funny about the video. But at the same time, what this drug induced person, whose inhibitions and self-awareness are obviously shut right down, is showing us the uncensored contents of her psyche.

There is not a single woman that I know that doesn’t feel this way, or fear it, despite their great pains to hide it.

And this, my friends, is the true root of Feminism: the inner turmoil that comes from our primal urge to belong. There was once a time when what people struggled for were women’s freedoms as granted by rights. Those goals having been accomplished, today’s identity politics Radical Feminism is based on assuaging that which gives the urge to howl.

Men are rapists! Why? Because men find some women so sexy that they can’t help themselves, is the unspoken narrative. This is the inverse of the video, it is being so sexually attractive that belonging is beyond inevitable, to the point that others are crazed beyond self-restraint.

Women are oppressed by The Patriachy. Why? Because we care for victims. The greater the victim a woman is, the more she will be cared for, even if they have to alienate everyone to get it.

Feminism is nothing more than the wounded. I would suggest that we teach them that men in general have our equivalents and to the degree that they stop behaving abusively, and increase basic human courtesy and respect, they’re chances of getting what they want will improve.

Dear Feminist women. You’ve got every single right in law that men have, and some that we don’t. That’s covered. We instinctively love you, despite our better judgment at times. That’s covered. Your final step is to abandon your means-goal driven ideology and to focus on what you really want: the best life that you can have, including genuine, deep and rich relationships based on respect.

Failure to do so will only continue to drive more and more men away.

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Reasons to go MGTOW: Ms. Entitled

You make a number of errors. The first is that we care about what you think of our genitals. The second is that we somehow have some moral duty to inform you about the shape of our genitals. The third is that we have some duty to “do whatever you want.”  “My main goal is to make you happy.” One has must be a sick person to either say it, or expect it a potential partner to say so. “She is the most important thing.” Entitled much? You aren’t “the most important thing.” You may or may not be important to him, but he is the most important person in his life. You either agree to walk your paths side-by-side, or you expect abject servility.

If I were generous, I could stretch and say that what you’re hoping for is open and honest communication. But that would be overly generous. You come across as a narcissistic child with a sense of entitlement. The attitude that you express is a great part of why men are abandoning relationships with women. Your entire video was Me! Me! Me! You give to me!

I will save your video as an example to young men as an example of the to the type of woman to avoid if he has interest a legitimate relationship.

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RE: Dear Men, please watch

tld;dr. I should have made a video response. You’ve made a lot of points in 8 minutes. I’ve written about 3 minutes worth of text. Read on, brave solider. Long, but concise. I’ve read the article. It is a popularization of something with enormously more depth that it addressed. I think that most of what you say is young, woman, one-side, self-centered. Don’t let that stop you, I’m respectful, because I expect that any response will be equally respectful.

1. “Feminism at its core means ‘Equal Rights for Men and Women.” It doesn’t. Feminism doesn’t mean anything, it is an ideology whose core, root, base assertion is that women are victims of men’s oppression. This is why ‘Equal rights’ is considered an important goal to achieve. Can you name one right in law that men in the Western world have that women do not? Can you name one word spoken, or deed performed on the behalf of women’s rights or interests that cannot be done in the absence of Feminism? No? Done. You can put Feminism away for good now. Tell your friends.

2. Men do not blame the political ideology of Feminism for their being single. You’ve got it backwards. Men choose to remain single to protect ourselves against legal and cultural conditions brought about by Feminists that actively harm men.

3. That you refer to the equivalent of choosing to avoid bullets as “hibernating” demonstrates that your thinking is one-sided, wrong and unfair–and honestly? Ignorant of men’s lives.

4. The points that you make have nothing to do with Feminism, and everything to do with pure, one-sided gynocentrism.

a) You can cry about being hit on a million times a day, as we might door-to-door sales people ringing our doorbell. What you’re failing to understand, young woman, is that this is a privilege that women have and you are taking it for granted. You are inundated with goods. You will not have this issue once you are in your forties, and you will look back on these times with whist and nostalgia. “Oh, when I was young and hot…” Know how to avoid this? Build character and interpersonal skills, and respect for men.

b) You blame “creeps” for women giving men the cold shoulder. “Creep” means “repulsive person.” This is nothing more that your projecting your personal preferences onto other people. That you say “We don’t know who to trust.” is a fair statement. Men are simply doing what you are doing. We don’t know which women to trust, and so we are giving you the cold shoulder, because many women are creeps. You are complaining that men bitch at Feminists, yet you are bitching at “creeps.” You are guilty of the very same act that you are complaining about.

c) Men do not call women “bitches” because they are “independent.” This epithet is usually assigned to those who are rude, unkind, users and/or exemplify a myriad of characteristics that can only be attributed to poor character. Of course, there are those men who are immature or who have poor character that are just as rude, and call names. Distinguish between the two, so that you can know when you are being a bitch, and when you are dealing with one. And sometimes, it’s not exclusive. Welcome to the real world.

d) You are conflating women and Feminism. Women are humans, Feminism is an ideology. Feminists are people who adhere to the ideology. As a self-proclaimed Feminist, why don’t you make this distinction?

e) “Men are blaming women and Feminism for isolating themselves, that is complete bullshit” We’re avoiding creeps and complain about women’s behaviour toward us, and the effects that the institutionalized ideology of Feminism has upon our lives. You complain about “creeps” and “give them the cold shoulder.” That’s what we’re doing. The two are identical. Are your reasons “complete bullshit?”

f) “If women are going out and having more adventures, doesn’t that motivate you to do the same?” First, men aren’t pack animals, we don’t naturally follow a herd. We don’t do what others do just because others are doing it. Second, for many men, our sense of adventure–that which gives us excitement, joy, wonder, life, are sexual relationships. Oh, but that’s bad, right? Men and women are different that way.

g) You then follow up with “I know you might feel discouraged sometimes, You definately should not approach women on the street because 99.99% of the time that will not be effective.” PUAs will tell you differently. And this is why men don’t listen to women for advice on how to pick up women. Women’s advice on “what works” is usually very wrong. They are passengers on a bus telling the driver what makes a good ride for the passengers, not how to get there, Most have never driven a bus. The correct person to ask how to drive the bus is an experienced bus driver, not the passenger.

g.1) “Women don’t know if you’re the good guy or the bad guy.” And we don’t know if you’re the cool chick, or the bitch. The difference is that you have the privilege of being the desired, and men will rarely be pursued by a woman that is not a creep. We pays our dime, we takes our chances. That’s how the world turns. That you don’t like it doesn’t mean we’re wrong to be who we are or what our approach is. Not all of us can afford to pay for your adventure, which you will expect.

h) “Going into hibernation mode” again. You don’t get it. We aren’t in “hibernation mode” we are in “avoid the creeps” and “avoid the creep-created laws that can ruin our life mode.”

i) “We should not blame Feminism, we should blame the guys that wrecked it for the other guys.” And this is why men complain about women, Feminism and avoid getting into relationships with you, women, Feminists and especially Feminist women. Take a little responsibility for yourself, would you? Please? Eschew the gynocentric point of view. In simple words: quit being self-centred and one-sided. Grow up.

5. “I can only tell you the opinion of women out there.” No, you can’t. You can tell us your opinion, and it is arrogant for you to believe that you speak for all women, or even all Feminist women.

6. I did like the video. I disagreed with you completely, but you weren’t a bitch. :)

[LATER] I notice that your video description has expanded to at least half the length of my comment. I understand that you freak out at push-back. Welcome to the real world. Be decent, honest and kind with me, and I offer the same. I believe that I have. I welcome your thoughtful response.

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On “Female Privilege” and Male Entitlement

I find that often, my posts are delete from Facebook. Here is a typical response. Let us see if it remains.

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An example of female social privilege is to assume that sex is something she gives and he has to give away for.

Those who claim that men (as a generalization) believe that they are entitled to sex, tell me why you believe they would bother ponying up for dates, if your body was something they were _entitled_ to? As a man, I can tell you that society–women, specifically, and feminist women frequently, have imparted the message that a man is lesser than a woman, and he has to “earn” her affections.

Most women not only expect him to, but assume that he will somehow “pay” for sex, ranging from small gifts to marriage. If the world were in fact “equal,” and self-proclaimed feminist women were sincere, they would approach to the same degree that men do, would pay as much as men do, and would jump though as many hoops as men do.

A number of women here will respond with claim that they approach men on a regular basis. Show, don’t tell. I’d like to see this board start a campaign exhorting women to take the same initiatives that men do. Let’s have a poster campaign!

Failure to do so would be an act of hypocrisy. “Do we as say you should, not as we do.” Create campaigns that teach women not to rape men and boys. Have campaigns that teach men to protect themselves from predatory women–you _do_ believe in equality, don’t you?

If you believe in your ideology, and believe that it is about “equality of the sexes”, show, don’t tell.

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Women seek agency, men seek belonging.

Just a brief response to something I read on a google+ page.

+Tim Patten said: “Generally, females live for POWER, men for EGO.”

I would like to add that there’s a subtle observation to make to this. People seek what they feel they do not have. Women, as a generalization, may seek power, but it is not ego that men seek to fulfill, but a sense of recognition, which serves the purpose of having him be wanted–less disposable, which in turn is precisely what most women seek: a sense of security and control over one’s life. Each seeks what the other has, or seems to have. Women seek agency, and men seek belonging.

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