A response to DF on a thread on The Whiteness Project. (I recommend viewing it.)
Listening to him I hear him say “black people” this or “black people” that and “I” don’t owe “black people” anything. White people are never white. They are individuals. They never participate or exist in a system that oppresses people. Stuff just happens. But whenever one single solitary black person does or says something, then it’s “black people”. People vs I. Black people live in a white world as it is. How do we benefit from listening to white people, oh wait, I mean individuals go on about their individual lives and perspectives of “black people” with no rational input on the ‘whiteness project?’. How do we benefit from this? I appreciate the effort of the project, but it just gives white people, I mean white individuals a platform to say what they have collectively been saying for generations in private. We see how that’s turned out for everyone. On a side note, I feel sorry for this guy because he has no clue he’s just a cog in the wheel, but he’s been trained to believe that he’s exceptional because he’s white.
White people are never white. They are individuals.
I think that what you’re trying to say is that white people don’t identify as white. That is only true in predominantly white areas. I’ve spent much time working in an environment where I was one of the few white people, and my race suddenly became an issue–to everyone else. And I then did mention it, but then, only contextually.
They never participate or exist in a system that oppresses people.
You make a significant error here. You accept the paradigm of oppressed/oppressor. This is a by-product of Radical Feminism messaging that men have historically oppressed women, extended to races. And this paradigm was developed by white, upper-class women, most notably encouraged by Gloria Steinem in the mid-60’s, and popularized by Peggy McIntosh’s essay “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack.” Peggy and Gloria were a product of America, and had a provincial view point that ignored the rest of the world and all of history.
Black people live in a white world as it is.
Way to ignore brown and yellow Asians, red and black Aboriginals. The world is comprised of roughly 16% white people. This is not “a white world,” racially. Preempting the argument of “White people have power, so I’m talking about powerful white people,” there are even fewer wealthy, powerful or influential white people and this argument ignores the wide variety of humans and the wide variety of lifestyles.
How do we benefit from listening to white people […]
How do we benefit from listening to anyone?
I appreciate the effort of the project, but it just gives white people, I mean white individuals a platform to say what they have collectively been saying for generations in private.
Go figure, the project achieve its goal.
We see how that’s turned out for everyone.
Yes. Feminism, affirmative action, the break down of institutionalized racism, the improvement of technologies and medicine that improves individual (of any colour’s) lives, etc. It would be a foolish error to think that much of this was not initiated or highly participated in by white people. Those terrible, terrible white people! How dare they not fall into the stereotype of English Monarchy or Southern US bigots!